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She states, in part: "I personally think these tools are an amazing new form of expression and collaboration and as a company, we recognize the opportunity they offer and we encourage their use. It’s normal for people (and companies) to make some mistakes when they use something new and we should all learn from those mistakes."
Thanks for your comment! I really wanted to take a different direction on this article. It's so easy to be overly critical of either side, so I wanted to be fair to both! Hopefully I accomplished that.
-Nick
Would it be acceptable for these (or any other) individuals to stand up in the middle of a business meeting and berate their coworkers, subordinates, or superiors? Call them “retards”? How about denigrating their ethnicity…that would be an interesting escalation of your “anything is fair game on the internet” employment policy.
I don’t understand your concept that internet communications grant some sort of special privelege to say whatever one chooses. Having the opinion that my boss is a “moron”, and voicing that opinion in a public forum are two completely different things. I retain the right to the former, I do not expect (or support) the right to the latter.
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I totally disagree. If an employee is venting to the public that the boss is a bonehead or that things are terrible, they need to be fired. Boss’s are people too and entitled to privacy just like every employee is entitled to privacy. Should the company post that John Doe is stupid, doesn’t understand the business and has clinical ADHD, that he is cronically late and has BO? Don’t you think this would hurt John’s prospects for getting another job? No employee (inclduing the CEO) has the right to decide what’s ok and what’s not ok to make public about other people. It’s not fair for anyone to make public judgments about another person or company and frankly it shows a horrific violation of trust and professional judgment to do that. Anyone that runs around whining about their coworkers gets what they deserve. No one likes a whiner or a snitch. Maybe a few horror stories will make everyone think twice before posting hear say.
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Rafael….you missed the boat pal.
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Rafael,
In the case of personal attacks, libel or slander laws apply, and I agree with you that such people need to be thwapped. Personal attacks are wrong and should be dealt with accordingly. I disagree that they need to be fired outright.
Anyone stupid enough to post a personal attack clearly doesn’t understand how social media works. In that case, it falls back onto the employer to correct the problem. If it persists, hell yeah, fire ‘em. But you can’t assume they know better beforehand. Especially if someone has only a handful of followers on Twitter or has done the basics to lock down their Facebook accounts by only friending people they know in real life.
That being said, personal attacks are outside the scope of my article, but you’ve brought up a good point.
Back to the scope of the article, how do you justify firing someone with a valid complaint that chooses to complain in the realm of social media? If the boss IS a bonehead or if the situations in the company ARE horrible, doesn’t it fall on the company to address those situations? Surely the right answer can’t be to fire these social media whistle blowers…
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Catbert,
Clearly personal attacks violate the efficacy of the freedom of speech. That wasn’t ever the point of my article.
Dan Leone didn’t call his boss or any of his employers a “retard”, he said his organization was stupid for trading away his favorite player. Organizations and corporations are public entities and don’t have any sort of protected status that I’m aware of.
In the case of Connor Riley, she’s been harped on relentlessly for a harmless social media comment about a job she already had decided to turn down.
Schadenfreude is taken to extremes in these cases. Neither Dan nor Connor deserved the incredible levels of public ridicule they received for their respective “woops” moments, do they?
Now, if you’re a jackass and posting racist or personal attacks, sure, you’re gonna get burned and probably deserve it. It might still behoove the companies to educate their employees in the first place – it’s not like they teach this stuff in school.
-Nick
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Nick – I agree that if the situation is horrible then of course an employee needs to do something like telling HR or the boss’s boss so that things can be addressed internally. But whatever you do, dont tweet or is it twit about it. That’s really bad judgement. There is no upside to venting publically….there is only downside.
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Can someone tweet about this twit, Rafael? Make up a name, throw his pic on it, and then tweet about RealMatch sucking wind. a) Its the truth. b) Maybe then we’ll be saved his drivel.
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Rafael – I agree with you 100%…the rest of these blokes are just angry cause their unemployment is runnign out.
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Leafar is that you attacking people on cheezhead again. You need to get a gym membership bro, all that anger is gonna eat you up.
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Its there needs to be some sort of awareness in the workforce that if you go public with private information, you’re going to get canned. Some of the new generation doesnt totally understand this yet. Look at the way half these jobfox employees bad mouth the founder and others. They hide their real ID when mouthing off but what kind of character gets angry at someone that gave them a job? Sorry your not a millionare but you had a job for 2 years. And this is how you repay them? Good lord. Point is, more people need to learn something called discretion.
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no one likes a snitch and what comes around, goes around.
http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/04/09/ved-monster-lawsuit-demands-yahoo-release-name-of-snitch/
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Not sure what kind of flamewar was started here. Rafael’s point was a valid one, but it wasn’t the point of my article – never meant to dis the guy. So, have your silliness anywhere, just not on my post.
Rafael, also agreed with you on the confidentiality agreements, unless some sort of moral or ethical dilemma is involved (ie, someone’s gonna get fired, bonuses at AIG, that sort of thing that SHOULD be leaked).
So… we have 1) personal, vulgar attacks, 2) racism/intolerance and 3) confidentiality agreements.
Can we please get back to the issue at hand?
HRBoss – There’s no reason to get ageist about it. The people getting fired for social media mistakes are from every generation. When I post something, I post it as myself. I believe in transparency. When I say something online, which I believe is a fair assessment of the situation, no matter who it pisses off, I take credit for it.
The point of the article is that hurt feelings are no reason to fire an otherwise qualified worker.
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Nick – Its all just good fun, dont worry…the readers here have big shoulders. If your posts dont stir the pot just a little then they wouldnt be very interesting to read. When you see the swarm, you know the topic is a good one. PS I think you should be fired….just kidding
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It is not about social media sites, it is about the loaylty of employees with their employer. When the employer lose the trust in the employee, there is usually just the only one solution.
People should be always very careful about their posting their job related stories, there is always someone who can read the message and say it to the employer.
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Nick says: “The point of the article is that hurt feelings are no reason to fire an otherwise qualified worker.”
Catbert says: “Otherwise qualified”??? I’m not sure how you’re able to speak to the qualifications of these individuals. Are you familiar with their work history? Their performance?
Simple fact-People who display poor judgement, and poor decision-making will have a difficult time remaining employed.
Regarding any social trauma these individuals endured, I’d call that a self-inflicted wound.
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